Attendees: Shayna, Ivan, Mikael, Matthew, Hannah
This meeting was a 2025 kickoff. We discussed ideas, goals and plans for
the IdPy project so that we can keep momentum going and make a better
experience for deployers, developers, and end users.
- Ivan's take: Idpy provides tooling that you can put together in a
flexible manner. But only if you know what you're doing!
- Not a lot of people are using these tools that are provided because
the domain is complex, and the way they are being provided is
not optimal.
- there could be a push to move from tooling/libraries to running
services
- configuration is mostly done for you, with minimal changes
- this might also convince people to contribute back, as they
would not be spending as much time getting things set up
- this would include adding more documentation and improving the
documentation that is there
- this probably needs to be a board level discussion; Leif needs
to agree; GEANT and Christos
- then get buy-in from the users like Giuseppe, CESNET, and
stakeholders
- Nikos working on oidc parts, Mikael and Enrique are working on
pyff
- There are resourcing issues
- need a dedicated person for idpy tools to combine tools as a
service, and someone to help with UX parts
- Alex is working closely with Ivan - looking at SATOSA, pysaml2
- Matthew - are there resources we should be reaching out to ?
Ivan: there is a divide between opensource projects and financing.
- GÉANT finances many projects/tools/services, including some of
the IdPy projects
- Who is using SATOSA? Italian government and some agencies,
SUNET, GÉANT (Core AI, incubator projects), Italian
federation, CESnet
(czech) and CERN. Norwegian projects (NORDnet, CSC)
- Mikael: It will probably be easier to get testing/ quality
assurance help than pure development
- There seems to be a lack of a plan
- What are the priorities? Can we adopt some sort of project
management process? For instance, how do we get single logout
incorporated?
- The calls are supposed to help with that, but right now there is
nothing official to keep a plan in place and keep it moving forward.
- The time is the issue.
- We can use Github's project functionalities - have planning
calls, use Kanban?
- We should Increase the cadence of this meeting to weekly instead
of bi-weekly
- Need to plan for new features/capabilities, protocol changes
from the things we us : for example from OIDC /OpendID foundation
- Need to address usability - deployer, developer, end-user
- the meeting becomes a check-in - what are you working on, what's
finished, what's in your way? And also sprint planning /
customer delivery,
product backlog annual review
- We need to formalize that in meeting agenda - 10 minutes backlog
grooming (are we working on the right things at the right
time?). Then what
are you working on? What have we finished? What's blocking
progress? Can we
connect people?
- Do we need to check in with the board? Maybe give the board a
monthly report showing our progress. This will drum up
further support for
the project.
- May need to change the meeting time.
- Ivan is currently spending 2 days a month on idpy tools - he is
hoping to increase this
Steps to focus on before next meeting:
- We should invite Enrique & Alex to the meeting - also try to find a
time to meet on a weekly basis
- Ivan can send a message to the board, to discuss transitioning to a
different model (running services)
- Ivan will work on the next stages of release, incorporating different
categories of PRs.
- Shayna will look into/ learn about what we can use from the Agile
methodology to improve our meetings/project direction
- Matthew would like to see documentation be a first priority. Mikael
echoed Matthew's frustration with the current state of documentation.
Examples of good documentation that help a developer get set up quickly:
SQL Alchemy documentation (deploying an ORM); another is the Typer python
package for building CLI. We should initially focus on:
- pysaml2 documentation - HOW to use classes, functions, constants?
- deployment guide for SATOSA
Hey all,
I'm trying to pick some times for a meeting to discuss the current state
of the Identity Python documentation.
https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/aQjjKW5b
Best wishes,
Matthew
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Attendees: Johan W, Shayna, Ivan
0 - Agenda bash
1 - Project review
a. General -
b. OIDC libraries - https://github.com/IdentityPython (idpy-oidc,
JWTConnect-Python-CryptoJWT, etc)
- Ivan chatted with Roland and people from SUNET about the things Roland
has split up into multiple MRs, related to wallets and
federation. This way
they can be reviewed and incorporated slowly into the
idpy-oidc library.
- This work is needed by some people sooner - so need to create a
release from a branch which will be marked as a
development release- e.g.
5.1.dev0.
- This will be considered a pre-release. Regular users will not
get it unless they explicitly request it using a specific flag or
installation (e.g., pip install idpy-oidc=xxxx)
- some things currently in the library may break as part of
this pre-release- tests cannot cover all edge cases
c. Satosa - https://github.com/IdentityPython/SATOSA
- Still trying to get the release out - sometime today hopefully? Will
contact Matthew after tagging and posting to pypi, to address
changes for
the container image due to the loss of samltest.id
- would like to transition to use Poetry like pySAML2 does- makes
it easier to package releases, do version bumps, etc.
d. pySAML2 - https://github.com/IdentityPython/pysaml2
- local cleanup, revamping of dependencies coming up
e. Any other project (pyFF, djangosaml2, pyMDOC-CBOR, etc)
2 - AOB
- Next meeting will be 8 January 2025. Happy Holidays!
*Idpy meeting 20 November 2024*
Attendees: Johan W, Johan L, Shayna, Ivan, Roland, Hannah S, Ali H, Mikael F
0 - Agenda bash
1 - Project review
a. General -
b. OIDC libraries - https://github.com/IdentityPython (idpy-oidc,
JWTConnect-Python-CryptoJWT, etc)
- Roland's big PR - lots of changes to idpyoidc. He will divide into
smaller chunks and issue as PRs.
- upcoming work on audience policies - GRnet
c. Satosa - https://github.com/IdentityPython/SATOSA
- Ivan has prepared new patches/releases - haven't posted but has the
tags locally. Will announce on slack when the new version is available.
- plan to merge in stages
- Ivan has been getting requests to easily setup an environment to
run satosa and run it locally. He has been thinking about doing something
similar to the reflector backend (the reflector backend, instead of going
out to a actual idp, immediately creates a payload and returns a
response).
To start the flow we need a service - create something like the reflector
backend which will act as a frontend. It will directly trigger a
flow when
you try to access it, and once it gets a response it will just show the
response. Then we don't need to involve any other service that acts as an
SP or IdP. Can configure how we want IdP to behave. Frederik from Umea
Universitat - plugin that displayed a page and allowed you to insert your
own values for attributes; it also created several profiles.
Would like to
try and build on this.
- Single logout discussion with Hannah Sebuliba
- Met with Ivan and Ali in January 2024 to try and merge the work she
had done into Satosa. There are some conflicts and Hannah would like
guidance how to proceed.
- In provious discussions, the recommendation was to hide the
single logout capabilities behind a flag in order to control
when they are
enabled, so that changes will not affect existing workflows.
This allows
merging without breaking, and testing and testing and fixing
things as we
go along. Then when everything looks good, either remove the
flag, or keep
it so people have the option to enable or disable the feature.
- Important to document what the new features are - what bindings
are supported, what the checks that are implemented actually
do, verify
messages, signatures, and identifiers within logout request
and response
messages.
- The most important thing is to record what we do with the state.
To support logout we need to keep state, The state has to do with the
sessions, the identifiers of the users, and the identifiers
of requests
that came in and correspond to the logout message. Also
allows us to avoid
attacks where someone could send logout requests using an
identifier they
found somewhere.
- It would be good to update the state diagrams
- Hannah felt an important idea was to move the session handling
to SATOSA rather than SAML ends - this is under discussion
- Ali's work has the storage within SATOSA - some parts of the
storage are in the frontend or backend. There is a map
between frontends
and backends connecting the session. The logout request should not be
specific to only one protocol. This required the session to
be kept within
SATOSA. Currently Ali's work supports Postgres. Can add other
adapters.
Also has the logout enabled flag.
- There are differences in the work Ali and Hannah have done, not
just the protocol but also the flow itself. Hannah has worked on SP
initiated logout - with SAML SPs and only logs out SAML IdPs.
It will not
log out OIDC-based IdPs. Ali worked on the OP initiated
logout. Even so,
the requirements and the state that needs to be kept are very similar.
- Need to get back to original code and review it. Should be able
to merge PRs independently, as long as they are behind the
feature flag.
Storage - abstract managed by the proxy and not related to
the protocols
directly. This will add some complexity before and can be
messy. Ivan is
not totally sure this is the right way. If code is kept
isolated, should
work.
- There was some discussion on 1) whether the flag should be the
same or separate for each protocol. Ivan seemed to think it
should be the
same overall. 2) Whether the logout should work for both protocols (no
matter which protocol initiates the logout, SPs and IdPs from both
protocols are logged out). Ivan thinks eventually it should
work this way
but initially each developer should focus on the protocol
they have been
working with.
- Hannah asks are there any services to use as test RP/OP? At one
time Ivan had done someting simple with Apache module -
modauth openidc
https://github.com/OpenIDC/mod_auth_openidc. Ivan doesn't think
she should worry about that right now. Merge the initial
patches and then
worry about oidc.
d. pySAML2 - https://github.com/IdentityPython/pysaml2
e. Any other project (pyFF, djangosaml2, pyMDOC-CBOR, etc)
- new release coming that will allow filtering of idps based on trust
authority. Discovery service parts are being tested right now.
- two phases - information processed by pyff - produces artifacts
that are fed into thiss-ds and are searchable by users.
- maybe there can be an information session on this during a
future meeting.
2 - AOB
- Roland has big demo on digital wallet coming up in Paris.
- He has created a document with Giuseppe about profiling the federation
specification.
*Idpy meeting 6 November 2024*
Attendees: Johan W, Johan L, Shayna, Ivan, Matthew E.
0 - Agenda bash
1 - Project review
a. General -
b. OIDC libraries - https://github.com/IdentityPython (idpy-oidc,
JWTConnect-Python-CryptoJWT, etc)
- error handling of certain requests, for example, refresh token grant -
refresh token param was missing, fixed now and merged.
- new capability to set lifetime of id token per client has also
been merged
- more fixes for resource indicators specification limitation will
happen soon
- might add hook to change responses in case there is a need to do
filtering or add more data to responses outside of idpy-oidc,
for example
information stored in remote databases; remote data providers.
- Roland is working on another big PR through his work on wallets.
- Ivan worked on pyop to include the latest MRs for new release
(released 3.4.2)
c. Satosa - https://github.com/IdentityPython/SATOSA
- creating a new release with what is there now and then continuing with
the plan that has been set out, merging MRs and releasing in stages
(plugins next, then typings of entity categories, etc).
- update image after release - taking out all of the samltest.id
configuration.
d. pySAML2 - https://github.com/IdentityPython/pysaml2
- No updates
e. Any other project (pyFF, djangosaml2, pyMDOC-CBOR, etc)
- new release of pyff imminent?- trust info profiles- corresponding
updates on thiss-mdq. Mykal Frykholm will be working on pyff
maintenance
more.
2 - AOB
- Single logout to be a focus of next meeting on 20 November (involving
Hannah, Matthew and Ivan).
- invite Mikael Frykholm to these meetings
